tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132650590416885231.post1433737460722140110..comments2023-08-25T14:01:04.704-07:00Comments on Vegan Bodybuilding: REVIEW: Stuart McGill Ultimate Back DVDsVegan Bodybuildinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01569539498664293515noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132650590416885231.post-33738537538138637042012-05-17T03:53:20.178-07:002012-05-17T03:53:20.178-07:00Strangely enough I have worked with clients rangin...Strangely enough I have worked with clients ranging from high end athletes to those with HIV & have yet to CAUSE back injury (except for one to myself using McGills protocols). You have done 10 years of research, I've done more years than that in the field if you really want to argue about 'portfolio size' (as if years doing something matters - in my view it is quality of time spent doing something, not time alone).<br />I have all of McGills books, also stuff like Mechanical Low Back Pain-Portsfield & DeRosa & many others.<br />You are actually twisting my words just to alter an argument I said his choice of crunch (the McGill sit-up) is not proven to be more effective than any other version & was opinion - if you wish to prove that wrong simply post the link to the study & that will be ended. Of course McGill has evidence - I never said everything he said is wrong - if you read the article as carefully as you read the McGill books, you'll see I include mostly stuff advised by McGill, but I include a 'little' flexion & there is no pain! I'm an end-user of this work not the guy going out there & doing the clinical studies, so I have no idea why that should be, but for me that is what works, & as I said some other people do contend the issue who also have impressive credentials.<br />You say there are no examples where loaded flexion may help a back - I can name one... ME! It is not my field to try & explain why that is, but there you go - I may just be an outlier, who knows, but trying to tell me that doing something that caused me pain is kind of irresponsible for clinician, don't you agree?<br />I was interested to see you used you own strategies as well as McGills - I would be interested to hear about those, how do you differ from McGill & why?<br />Finally questioning in the field of study isn't actually 'piss poor', even if it wrong, the job of any researcher is to be a sceptic - everything should be questioned or we'd get no advances. A person may write 1 study, but that one study could change a field.Vegan Bodybuildinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01569539498664293515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132650590416885231.post-78239857292372203352012-05-16T16:42:44.141-07:002012-05-16T16:42:44.141-07:00i have done over 10 years research on back pain an...i have done over 10 years research on back pain and read all of mcgills books and many other medical texts as well at the university library<br /><br />and have personally talked to professor mcgill quite a few times<br /><br />he has over 180 articles to his name on various topics of the back<br /><br />further i would surely bet is the number one world wide expert on the back like by a country mile<br />there is no one out there even in his league. as he is so famous many feel the best stragety to further their piss poor career is to attack mcgills work. pathetic really <br /><br /><br />further many people with back pain have hired myself to come advise them on their back and or hip problems<br /><br />much of which i have used mcgills<br />strageties and some of my own<br />with fantastic results<br /><br /><br />everything that mcgill says is not<br />his opinion but is evidence based<br />and there is overwhelming evidence<br />flexion and rotation of the lumbar spine is just not worth the risk<br /><br />while their are over 13 different causes of back pain and combinations of. no 2 backs are the same. but i cant name any situation where it would help the person to add loaded flexion and rotation of the lumbar spine.<br /><br /><br /><br />if i had to go into all i could explain why this is the case<br /><br /><br />but it would be like a chapter long to explain it all but there are many more reasons than just dead pig spines<br /><br /><br />further from all the people i have trained on the back it has also been the case that all loaded flexion of the lumbar best avoided<br /><br />anyways i would suugest you read every single page of both of mcgills books and very much study every single topic<br /><br /> and also there are many articles in spine journal<br /><br />also another source is chiroweb with many articlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132650590416885231.post-71914947872650911512012-05-15T23:38:41.708-07:002012-05-15T23:38:41.708-07:00I never claimed to be a spinal expert - my areas a...I never claimed to be a spinal expert - my areas are personal training, massage therapy & clinical nutrition - Even McGill though accepts his view is just theory, not fact. There are many questioning voices such as http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Abstract/2011/08000/To_Crunch_or_Not_to_Crunch__An_Evidence_Based.2.aspx I was not claiming or advising anyone else on what to do, just what I do for myself - McGill has forms of sit-ups he employs himself, but believes his tweaks make them ok - but again based on theory - no one has yet tested out these sit-ups compared them to other versions & found if back injuries are less using them (look up McGill sit-up). So, he is using a modified version, but his are ok with no clinical evidence to back them up, just theoretical knowledge? McGill is certainly smarter than me, but he is not the only smart voice out there, nor are smart ideas always correct. I did try his solution, it didn't work for me (in fact for me it CAUSED lumbar back pain, he first I'd ever suffered), I can't really answer any better than that.<br />I'd actually argue that everyone has limited knowledge of the spine & to claim to 'know' the spine puts you in a league of your own as even spinal specialists cannot tell you why many people have lumbar spine issues. Ask any spinal specialist can they diagnose & correct every condition? You often cannot tell one patient from another by looking at the spine or observing its function. It is such a complex piece of engineering that it's a little arrogant to think we understand it very much at all yet. In this blog I can only express my views, what I've found to work. I tried McGill's way, for me it didn't work - I refuse to stick to an idea simply because it appears to 'make sense', if another option leaves me pain-free then I'm afraid I'm going to use it - it may be my spine does not agree with the knowledge you have so carefully memorised from your journals :-). I think we'll find in years to come that many things to do with how we believe the spine functions will change. I myself will be keeping an eye open for changes & I'm happy, eager to employ new ideas as they emerge - hopefully you too will be open to new ideas & questioning what you have learnt as often these things change as time goes on, & the lumbar spine is so complex new ideas are pretty much certain to appear!<br />I will continue to read & be open to new ideas, hopefully you will do the same & thanks for your input.Vegan Bodybuildinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01569539498664293515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132650590416885231.post-5273929422635605522012-05-15T18:32:27.940-07:002012-05-15T18:32:27.940-07:00it is obvious you have limited
knowledge of the ...it is obvious you have limited<br /><br /> knowledge of the lumbar spine.<br /><br />go and read much more before you<br /><br />start thinking mcgil is not correct<br /><br />to leave out flexion movements.<br /><br />spine journal for one a good start <br /><br />for youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com